Showing posts with label Krytox GPL 205. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Krytox GPL 205. Show all posts

Tuesday, November 24, 2020

LOOK Carbon KEO Blade Grease Failure

About half-way home yesterday, on my 1st good ride since dental surgery (hammered the hell out of it!) I started to hear the birds chirping like it was a beautiful spring day, not a beautiful winter day. The "birds", I started to notice, stopped singing when I stopped pedaling - well at least when pedaling hard. I was hoping it was a dry chain, or even the bottom bracket, but after some 1-legged pedaling, pretty sure it was a dry pedal. 

I just checked my tracking info, and I got those the last week in October, so, gulp, that just flat out SUCKS! Here's the deal (channeling Joe Biden already), a lot of bike shops are struggling to stay open, so are selling anything and everything they can get their hands on. Shimano is back-ordered for months I'm told (somehow Competitive Cyclist was able to get me a replacement set of R-8000 shifters so I can fix the front, L-hand shifter. Giant Kudos there), and bike mfgs are complaining they could make more bikes if they could get components from mfgs. Post COVID, people have rediscovered the Great Outdoors, apparently all at once. Manage your gear accordingly.

BOTTOM LINE: Don't assume new purchases are new, were stored correctly (why run the AC when the physical store is closed?), handled correctly, or even assembled by the usual assembly fairies who may be sick with COVID. When you buy something that can be greased, grease it before installation. 

I'm hoping against hope that the spindle on the right pedal isn't ruined, or wasn't ruined by spalling of the needle bearing, I did use a very fine polish to polish the spindle, and it looks much better now, but I won't know for a few rides if I caught it in time.

Visine bottle repurposed with 0W20 Mobil-1
 First, remove the pedals like this. A great cheat is to remove the Right pedal first using a socket wrench with a ratchet, as it's threading is normal. When you're all finished with it put it back on & tighten it down per torque spec. The socket wrench's ratchet will now be set correctly to untighten the Left pedal. I bought a 3/8", 8mm allen tip as a 1/4" socket wrench is too small to untighten the spindles as they tighten themselves ever more as you ride. If you're dead certain you won't screw this up, I'd RX a 1/2" to 3/8th socket adapter so you can use a breaker-bar to break them loose. I'm not that certain.

 Right pedals loosen by turning counter-clockwise, left pedals loosen clockwise. 

Right pedals tighten by turning clockwise, left pedals tighten counter-clockwise.

Shimano marks their pedals with arrows, so use those as a guide if in doubt.

 A ~ 32" length of 2x4" lumber makes a great crank-arm crutch to keep the crank fully extended upright, which you can push down on without impaling your knuckles on the teeth of your chainring. Just flip the bike over and tuck the 2x4 under the flat side of the pedal, step on the horn of the seat, then wrench away!

I don't have the special 5-tooth tool to remove the lock-caps, but they came off with a rubber spacer (a piece of leather belt would probably work too) from an old tail-light and a shiny new Vice-Grip with a circular jaw pattern. I used Q-Tips to clean out the tiny bit of grease left inside. I then used Mobil-1 oil (from a repurposed Visine bottle) to clean out the needle bearing by flooding the inside of the pedal with oil & then turning the spindle with a small drill and 8mm allen wrench at ~ 300 rmps. 

Mother's Headlight Polish

 If you're going to polish the machined needle bearing interface on the spindle, do so before using the 0w20 oil and spinning the bearing with the drill, because if there's debris on it you might scratch the rollers of the needle bearing with a chewed up spindle cone. I used this Mother's headlight de-fogger which has an "ultra-fine abrasive" - probably hydrolyzed silica, AKA soggy sand, which is used in toothpaste, based on the color. Lapping compound at ~ 2,000 grit would be safer, if I had it on hand. A hard piece of denim or quality paper towel work well to hold the compound against the spindle with a hard hand pinch. More is less, so tread lightly, but get them nice and shiny without reshaping the spindle. 

Whatever you do, make DAMNED SURE there is no abrasive of any kind left on the spindle. I washed mine off with hot, soapy water, dried it with paper towel, and then immediately wiped it with oil.

Note rubber jaw-shield in ViceGrip

After cleaning the threads of the lock-cap and upper part of the inside pedal body with alcohol, as those threads need to be squeaky clean to allow the LockTite to bond during final assembly, I used FinishLine Teflon-fortified grease for the body and the main "permanently lubed" sealed bearing. After cleaning out the hollow at the end of the spindle with a Q-Tip, I packed it with grease too.

Using the Krytox syringe, I applied a zig-zag pattern of grease on the machined bit of the spindle that engages the needle bearing. As there's no way to reach the needle-bearing, I carefully reassembled the spindle and spun it with a drill to get some Krytox onto the surface of the needle-bearing itself. I repeatd this 3 times until I was sure I had a good Krytox coating on both the bearing and the spindle.

I then squeazed about a 1" length of lube into the pedal body. Not wanting to push the Krytox GPL 205 off the machined needle-bearing interface of the spindle when pressing it into place, I then repeatedly slammed the pedal body down onto a rag-covered bench to force the grease to the bottom of the pedal cavity. I had to repeat this process twice, adding grease again, to fully pack the pedal. 

Listen for a grease "crack" when doing a trial reassembly and tightening of the lock-cap. Excess grease will get pushed past the cassette bearing's seal in time, guaranteeing it gets relubed, even if it's supposed to be "lubed for life". The primary job of grease is to slowly bleed out the oil it holds. More grease, more oil, more bearing life. It will add 50gr to the weight of your bike. Do you care?

Once fully packed, turn the pedal with the drill and 8mm allen tip. You should see grease coming out of the pedal end of the sealed bearing interface. Wipe with a clean rag and repeat until the grease stops oozing out. You should then be ready to back the lock-cap off to expose the threads so you can apply LockTite. 

The seals on the lock-cap are very good, so if you cleaned them thoroughly with alcohol they should still be clean & dry. Apply 2 drops of BLUE Medium strength LockTite (I used Permatex. Same stuff AFAICT) covering 3-4 threads from the outside in. Hand tighten (the left side lock-cap is left-hand threaded - as is the spindle) as tight as you can and then use the 5-tooth special tool or soft-mouth pliers or Vice-Grip to tighten until snug. There's a thin rubber seal at the base of the threads the lock-cap is meant to engage AFAICT. The seal on mine was cracked & dried, but the Lock-Tite is both a thread-locker and a sealant, so don't sweat the O-ring seal quality.

Blue "LockTite", by whatever name, takes 24hrs to fully cure, so no pedaling until TOMORROW. 

Remember, the left pedal spindle is reverse threaded. Turn it clockwise to remove the pedal when facing the crank arm. The right side is normal, so turn it anti-clockwise to loosen it.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving! 


Excess Grease Oozing out of Bearing

PS: Did a hard climbing ride just now and happy to report the pedals are quiet. It will take a few more rides for the grease to get pressed out to an equilibrium quantity, but this is very encouraging. No indication the lock-caps are going to unscrew themselves, and no grease leakage on the left side spindle at all. 

PPS: I've put about 175 miles on these pedals in the last week and they are now glassy smooth, smoother than when I first took them out of the box and mounted them - by far. Weather has been 45-65F and there is still a small bit of grease coming out of the seal on the R pedal (packing the hollow of the spindle is probably responsible for this), which is just fine with me. It guarantees all the rust, debris and microscopic bits of spall, if there are any, are getting pushed out of the main bearing, and no water or dust is getting back in. 

Cheers!


Tuesday, November 17, 2020

Biking To-Do List: November 2020

First, yes, I still owe you all 2 posts on the theory and practice of half-step gearing, which is slow going at the moment, but I'm working on it. 

Second, I decided to repack an old set of Shimano Ultegra 6700 carbon pedals and was shocked to find there is no main bearing, and the "needle bearing" isn't a needle bearing at all, it's a home-brew dual ball bearing where the cups are ground into the ends of a ~ 12mm steel barrel, and those balls are teeny tiny, like something out of a Swiss watch. We're talking flat-sided toothpicks for handling all 36 of these 3/32 little devils. The PD-R8000 is made exactly the same way.


Third, I'm still trying to figure out a way to salvage my old bike's headset by using a thicker grease meant to resist being hammered out of the contact area (pound-out). Turns out there's a grease sold by AmsOil made specifically for this purpose used in heavy duty off-road earth-moving equipment - Synthetic Polymeric Off-Road Grease, NLGI #2

Think articulated joint in the center of a bucket loader rolling over rough ground with a bucket load of ore and a huge weight stack at the extreme other end of the machine. (these guys couldn't get laid in a mattress factory, but watch the video anyway) You'd want the thicker NLGI #2 grease for headsets retrofitted with sealed bearings with much smaller engagement areas than the original press-in ball bearing cups.

This, and repacking my Ultegra pedals led me to a lengthy investigation of grease, and especially, compatibility of greases with different bases (they're not), because I bought some of Park Tool's PPL-1 Polylube poly-urea grease, and I wanted to be sure it would play nice with other (primarily lithium-based) greases. Park Tool says it does. My research says NO. 

BTW, the base isn't the lubricating agent. The base is the stuff that gels and suspends an oil, and slowly weeps the oil onto a bearing over time, but it's NOT the primary lubricant (some additives like moly or graphite provide lubrication as well). That is to say, the base is what makes something a grease instead of an oil. There's a fairly wide window of bearing speeds and loads where grease works, and bicycle bearings are way, way inside that window. Easy-peasy. 

10% ball bearing failure @ 45,000hrs

By way of contrast, high speeds, high loads, and high heat make active lubrication under pressure with oil absolutely necessary for ICE engine main "bearings", which aren't bearings at all, but bushings with oil galleys cut into them, while hypoid gears' very high pressure loads in manual transmissions require very thick oil that can stand up to molecular shearing, but no active, pressurized lubrication system is needed there.

At any rate, I leaned a ton of interesting and important information about grease, when it's used, and how to select it. There's a really brilliant blog post in this if I'm up to the challenge. I do want to assure you all though that I'm very happy with all the RX-es I've made on this blog, and in particular, I still think for ball bearings running at the speeds (50-250 rpms) and pressure loads of bicycle hubs, BBs, headsets (my special need notwithstanding) and pedals, pure Teflon grease directly on the balls, cups & cones, and Teflon fortified grease to displace dust, water, etc in the rest of the grease cavity, makes the best possible lubrication. 

 If this changes I'll shout it from the rooftops, but I don't see that happening for decades. FinishLine makes both the pure Teflon grease and the Teflon fortified grease. I bought some Krytox GPL 205 10yrs ago and paid $65, but it's gotten cheaper. I still have about 1/4 left, so yes, I use it sparingly, but it will never leave you metal to metal and is chemically inert, so it won't react to metal, plastic, paint, etc. If you're riding disk brakes and the hub is soaking up a lot of heat, PTFE grease is about as good as it gets.

With COVID-19 running rampant everywhere again, as predicted, please do take care to stay safe at all times - 90% of the time will get you killed with this remorseless executioner.